Comments on: Creative Co-Laborers http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/ trying to nail down the shifting signifiers Mon, 06 Oct 2008 21:02:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: Anthony Velez http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3020 Anthony Velez Wed, 19 Mar 2008 17:04:58 +0000 http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3020 Paul - I think my response to Roger elaborates and supports what you said in your comment. If I misread you, let me know. Otherwise, I think we are kindred on this matter. Paul - I think my response to Roger elaborates and supports what you said in your comment. If I misread you, let me know. Otherwise, I think we are kindred on this matter.

]]> By: Anthony Velez http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3019 Anthony Velez Wed, 19 Mar 2008 16:35:01 +0000 http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3019 Roger - In this case, it is an honor to be stolen from. :-) Regarding my being progressive on the test I took and the liberalism that expresses itself in this post, I think that comes from trying to be faithful to the Scriptures and the Xian Tradition. I plan on writing a post soon about Jesus standing before Pilate and declaring that his Kingdom is not of this world. A critical implication that I see in this declaration is that Jesus' Kingdom will not fit within the categories that this world uses to sort experience and articulate the truth. Using John's (the Beloved) mode of expression, the kingdom of God represents an inbreaking from above that upsets the fallen norms of this world. I hope I don't fit the categories of liberal or conservative because in trying to remain faithful to the fullness of the faith, I am becoming one who is in the world but not of it. Compared to my good friend Chris, I am definitely conservative (probably too much for his taste) and compared to my good friend John (whom you don't know) I am definitely liberal (probably too much for his taste). I think the "liberal" part of me tends to manifest more often than my "conservatism" because it seems that among those who uphold orthodoxy, it is conservative voices that tend to dominate, and so, in some measure I am trying to provide a counterbalance. Roger - In this case, it is an honor to be stolen from. :-)

Regarding my being progressive on the test I took and the liberalism that expresses itself in this post, I think that comes from trying to be faithful to the Scriptures and the Xian Tradition. I plan on writing a post soon about Jesus standing before Pilate and declaring that his Kingdom is not of this world. A critical implication that I see in this declaration is that Jesus’ Kingdom will not fit within the categories that this world uses to sort experience and articulate the truth. Using John’s (the Beloved) mode of expression, the kingdom of God represents an inbreaking from above that upsets the fallen norms of this world.

I hope I don’t fit the categories of liberal or conservative because in trying to remain faithful to the fullness of the faith, I am becoming one who is in the world but not of it. Compared to my good friend Chris, I am definitely conservative (probably too much for his taste) and compared to my good friend John (whom you don’t know) I am definitely liberal (probably too much for his taste).

I think the “liberal” part of me tends to manifest more often than my “conservatism” because it seems that among those who uphold orthodoxy, it is conservative voices that tend to dominate, and so, in some measure I am trying to provide a counterbalance.

]]> By: Roger Green http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3018 Roger Green Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:33:32 +0000 http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3018 I've stolen from you: http://thomwade.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/god-hates-you-all-of-you/#comments I’ve stolen from you: http://thomwade.wordpress.com/2008/03/19/god-hates-you-all-of-you/#comments

]]> By: paul http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3017 paul Wed, 19 Mar 2008 04:40:21 +0000 http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3017 Anthony, Here, people get in trouble as a simple dichotomy of options (left/right, "conservative"/"liberal", tradition/new) and those choosing to break the mold get labeled anything. That label, of course, is often one of contempt. Speaking politically, so much of the church's social aspects are changing, if anyone wishing to see a new movement arise that even remotely involves the church, be careful of the backlash! Anthony,
Here, people get in trouble as a simple dichotomy of options (left/right, “conservative”/”liberal”, tradition/new) and those choosing to break the mold get labeled anything. That label, of course, is often one of contempt. Speaking politically, so much of the church’s social aspects are changing, if anyone wishing to see a new movement arise that even remotely involves the church, be careful of the backlash!

]]> By: Roger Green http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3016 Roger Green Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:31:56 +0000 http://www.thedarkglass.net/2008/03/18/creative-co-laborers/#comment-3016 But you well know that some folks have reduced their sense of the Gospels to a handful of rigid rules. "Dynamic creation"? Sounds like a liberal to me. No wonder you turned out so progressive on that test you took recently. But you well know that some folks have reduced their sense of the Gospels to a handful of rigid rules. “Dynamic creation”? Sounds like a liberal to me. No wonder you turned out so progressive on that test you took recently.

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